2 new bar fret guits, sound file added

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Re: 2 new bar fret guits

Post by BRuddy » Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:05 pm

It's going to be a beauty Grant! Great wood and I always like to see your bracing system. Thanks for showing another build.

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Re: 2 new bar fret guits

Post by whitespruce » Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:27 am

Thanks for the comments, Brian. That back is really gonna pop under a finish. I have 5 8/4 billets from this log. They are all slightly different, but all have the same general features (yes, including a few bug holes).

I have been showing this bracing pattern for a decade, and so far, I don't think anybody has tried it. Maybe I need to provide more details and a more complete step-by-step. I would sure like to see a few others try it and give some feedback. I recognize that it is more work than a standard X-brace, but sometimes you only get out what you are willing to put in.

If there is interest, I will start a topic with drawings, measurements and any other specs and walk anybody through this who is interested.

Any takers?

G

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Re: 2 new bar fret guits

Post by whitespruce » Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:46 pm

Continuing on....

Here are the back laminated linings with the show edge rounded over and all sanded
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Just need to trim to length and glue them in.

But first, I need to trim up the side profile. I did a rough side profiling before I bent the sides, so there is nothing drastic left to do. Just need to center the back radius dish on top of the sides and run a yellow pencil around to mark a more exact profile
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And here it is marked
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A block plane makes quick work along the sides
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But I need a bit more care on the end blocks to get the contour correct

So I replace the radius dish and put coarse sandpaper on top of the blocks and move the dish and sandpaper back and forth
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Here it is almost down
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I will finish it the rest of the way after I glue in the linings and give everything a final sanding.

Now I will start bracing the back.

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Re: 2 new bar fret guits

Post by whitespruce » Sun Mar 29, 2015 9:53 am

I said that I would explain my back bracing in more detail, so here is the start.

For a review, here is what the finished product looks like
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My original version was the same, but without the openings. I like the looks of the new version better, but have no idea if it performs any differently. A bit lighter in weight, but probably nothing significant.

The layout is simple. The center is just a square, rotated 45 degrees.
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And the "legs" are just extended to the edge. On my larger bodied guitars, I use a 6" square. If you are building smaller instruments, you might want to reduce this a bit, maybe to 5 1/2' for an OM. For location, I put the upper end approximately on the center of the soundhole. Again, adjusting this a bit might better fit your body shape.

I glue these braces up from laminations. When I built them solid, I used 5 laminations, 3/16" wide by 1/8" tall. I rip these from scrap mahogany. I don't worry about grain orientation. Walnut would probably look nice, too, and if you want light colors, you could use basswood or spruce.

With the present version, I use 4 laminations. The first, third and fourth are the same 3/16" by 1/8". The second lamination is 3/16" wide by 3/8" tall and is where the openings are formed.

This layer requires 22 pieces, and I cut and shape them before I start bracing
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There are 8 pieces, 3/4" long and 6 pieces 1 3/8" long. The other (longer) pieces will vary in length depending on your body shape and size. For my jumbo shape there are 2 pieces 3 3/4" long, 2 pieces 5" long, 2 pieces 5 1/4" long and 2 pieces 6" long.

The 1 3/8 " pieces get notched to cross at the X's. The 3 3/4" pieces also get notched (11/16" from the end) to form half of the outer X's. The other long pieces get the "bird mouth" shape at one end to form the longer openings.

Here is how these pieces fit in the layout
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I will show the shaping of the ends of these pieces in the next post and then we can get on with the glue-up.

G

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Re: 2 new bar fret guits

Post by whitespruce » Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:46 pm

OK, getting the center lamination pieces shaped and ready.

First, the 1 3/8" pieces go in the X's, so they need to be notched. I mark the center and...
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...eyeball a slightly undersized notch on the bandsaw

The 3 3/4" pieces get a notch also, same distance from an end
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Then I touch up the notches with a small file until they fit
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Once you get the hang of bandsawing the notch close to size, it takes only a few strokes of the file to clean things up for a nice fit

Now I need to shape the ends. For this I use a ruby studded bur in a rotary handpiece...like a fancy dremel
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A small sanding drum or some other type of cutter would work. Lacking any of these, some medium grit sandpaper wrapped around a 1/4" dowel would work...just slower

Here are a few done
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The rest of the longer pieces just need the "bird's mouth" at one end. I rough out on the bandsaw
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And finish up with a smaller rotary cutter and a small sanding block
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The 2 on the right are done

Here is everything ready for gluing up
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I didn't show it, but you can see I have also shaped the ends of the 3/4" pieces with the rotary cutter.

Now I just have to glue all of this to the back

Stay tuned,

G

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Re: 2 new bar fret guits

Post by Dennis Leahy » Sun Mar 29, 2015 9:56 pm

:clap: Perfect! Thank you, Grant! This will be emulated...and you will be credited. As far as I know, this is completely unique. I have seen a couple of builders that take braces and drill various sized holes in them, but not like this laminated structure (that does more than just look cool and reduce the weight a bit.)
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Re: 2 new bar fret guits

Post by johnparchem » Sun Mar 29, 2015 10:23 pm

An amazing process! I really like the results.

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Re: 2 new bar fret guits

Post by whitespruce » Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:32 pm

Well, I have more done, but my laptop died. Power goes on but the screen stays blank and it does not boot up. And I don't have a way to download photos from my camera to this regular computer. So, until (if) I can get my laptop fixed, I can;t post anything :(

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