Organic Soundports

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Re: Organic Soundports

Post by chrism » Mon Dec 31, 2012 7:47 pm

with the template your using for the inlay and that routing setup you're using - are you having to clean that up afterwards to get it the right size or does it get far enough into the corners to be ready to inlay?

I've done my routing channels with a dremel free-hand, but have been looking for a way to get detail from a template. The full size router bits all seem to be too large for that application.
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Re: Organic Soundports

Post by dofthesea » Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:22 pm

Can this build get any better? So many details on this are sweet.The continuity in design is inspiring.
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Re: Organic Soundports

Post by whitespruce » Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:39 pm

First of all, thanks to everybody for the kind words and encouragement. I am operating on a general concept and the details sort of emerge as I get to them, so I also experience lots of fun and excitement as I go along. Kind of a laid back process where I don't worry too much about how things are going to happen because there will always be a way to make something work.....but I guess that is how I approach most things.
chrism wrote:with the template your using for the inlay and that routing setup you're using - are you having to clean that up afterwards to get it the right size or does it get far enough into the corners to be ready to inlay?

I've done my routing channels with a dremel free-hand, but have been looking for a way to get detail from a template. The full size router bits all seem to be too large for that application.
Chris, where I need sharp corners, I always have to clean up a bit. All of this is done with a really small dental type burr that is not much more than 1mm in diameter, but no matter how small, there still are slightly rounded corners. On my peghead inlay, since I cut each one by hand, there is some variation, so a little cleanup here and there is common. I don't consider any of this as a problem because these are, after all, hand made, so I consider "going with the flow" as just a natural part of the process.....and the music, well, she don't care :D

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Re: Organic Soundports

Post by whitespruce » Tue Jan 01, 2013 4:23 pm

Moving on, I need to start putting the box together. I will use my usual method of working without a mold on a building board, but for this one I am going to glue on the side braces first. I already have the top linings cut to length and glued to the sides.

The side braces will be 5/16" by 5/32" ebony which will add good crossgrain stiffness to the sides. Here are the side braces for one side
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Note that I have filed in a "waist" where the brace will cross the openings and the butterfly keys.

I am clamping them very securely to take out any irregularities in the sides
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Note the heavy hardwood cauls that should ensure that the sides get glued flat.

I realize that I will need to trim these braces a bit before I glue in the back linings, but the ability to more easily clean up in the side openings outweighs that small inconvieniance.

The glue is about dry on the second side, so hopefully I can get the sides glued to the top yet today.

thanks for looking.

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Re: Organic Soundports

Post by whitespruce » Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:13 pm

Well, I got the sides glued to the top. This one went easier and fit perfectly to the lines. I love those laminated linings, Thanks Colin :D

First side being glued (I do them one at at ime)
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And after letting that dry for an hour or so, glued the second side
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Now things are gonna slow down a bit because I don't have the back braced. And I need to cut some new bracing strips because I am gonna change my back bracing a bit....still the same double X bracing and still laminated, but put together differently. Hope it works ;)

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Re: Organic Soundports

Post by Ebony » Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:26 pm

Wow, this is such a fantastic build project! First of all I am amazed that the wood didn't give up the ghost whilst being bent and secondly this is an incredibly original concept!

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Re: Organic Soundports

Post by whitespruce » Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:43 pm

Well, I was mostly busy today doing odds and ends, but I woke up this morning thinking about bindings and knowing that the old bloodwood or ebony just wasn't gonna cut it.

Several things went through my mind, such as strips of buffalo ribs and such (since I had already cut some of these a year or so ago), but nothing really seemed appropriate. Then towards the end of the first cup of coffee I remembered something....

....so after I got dressed, I went out and dug through the snow in a pile of odds and ends of various sticks and logs. We had grown this stuff in the house and it had gotten about 25 feet tall and an inch and a half or so in diameter and then a couple of years ago it started to die. So we cut it all down and saved the fatter stems. That's what I was looking for in the snow.

I figured that if it could be used for flooring, cutting boards, and other things, It certainly should be useable for guitar bindings.......and it would be appropriate, too.

So I found one of the nicer pieces, brought it in the shop, cut off a 3 foot long piece, and ripped it in half on the table saw. Then I ripped one of the halves into 4 strips













So here is what I had to start with
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Yah, bamboo. Who woulda thunk it :D

A closer look at the strips
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After a few trips through the thickness sander, it looked like this
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I cleaned up and squared the edges with a block plane and got it down to just a bit oversize for bindings
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trued up the edges on a sanding board.

This is still a tad thicker than it needs to be and there are a few slight kinks in some of the pieces, but it is very flexible and should be real easy to bend. I should be able to change the color a bit if I don't like what it is now. Need to see if I want to add side purflings, but I am thinking maybe not. I will probably use a very narrow strip of the spruce bark and a b/w veneer line for top purfling.

So, that's where I am at.

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Re: Organic Soundports

Post by whitespruce » Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:58 pm

Way too cold to do much else, so I will update this with a few photos.

I did a bit of work on the fingerboard now and then over the past few weeks. I put in the bone fret markers. These are that partially fossilized whale bone. I had routed the openings and just had to clean up the corners. Then I cut out the bone pieces and got them to size with small files, tapped them into place and hit them with a couple of drops of CA. They fit quite well, so no filling around them. Just filed them flush and then resanded the fingerboard. Here is what they look like
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Then I started on the copper bar frets that I had made. Putting them in is a rather involved process.

First I cut a fret to length and filed the lower edge flat and square. Then taped off the fret slot and fit the fret in the slot. A bit of touch up with a file on some to get a not too tight fit. Then I ran a sharpie marker on one side to mark the approximate curve of the top. Took the fret out and filed the top roughly to shape, but a bit oversize. Then I lightly hammered the top edge to further work harden the copper, followed by burnishing for the same reason. A dab of white glue in the slot and tapped the fret in. A bit more filing to get it closer to shape and then burnished it again.

Here are the first 3 frets roughed to shape with the ends kinda cleaned up
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When all of the frets are in, they will be leveled and crowned and then burnished again.

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Re: Organic Soundports

Post by Dennis Leahy » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:04 pm

Grant,

I'm loving watching this guitar be born! Those butterfly/keys following the cracks look great as fret markers.

I noticed that the typical fretwire on most guitars ("nickel silver" or "German silver") is 60% copper (60% copper, 20% nickel and 20% zinc.) Bronze can be up to 88% copper, so your idea that the copper - especially work-hardened copper - should be hard enough to do the job, seems correct. It sure looks cool.

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{edit} At least -24°F (-31°C) tonight at your place. That is mighty damn cold.
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Post by Eben » Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:38 pm

VERY cool, G - I love Nakashima's work and legacy - He'd dig this for sure.

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Re: Organic Soundports

Post by DennisK » Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:49 pm

How's this thing coming along? Got 'er boxed up yet, or still dreading the fitting of all those bar frets?

Love those position markers. Functional in two ways, and decorative at the same time :) Actually I love everything about this build... except for the mahogany neck. Mahogany is so mainstream :ugeek:

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Re: Organic Soundports

Post by whitespruce » Tue Mar 05, 2013 9:10 am

Dennis, I have been slacking again. Actually, I have been busy trying to put a website together...which is taking more time than I had hoped.

The box is closed and the end graft (bamboo) done. The bamboo bindings are bent and I put a black lam on them. I have about half of the bar frets in....no problems with that process, but it is slow.

So, next I have to route the binding channels, actually I have 4 boxes ready for that, so I plan to do them all at the same time.

I am running a bit low on firewood, so I don't heat the shop every day. Supposed to warm up in a few days, so will try to get back at it.

Thanks for asking....I need a kick in the pants now and then :D

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Re: Organic Soundports

Post by chrism » Sun Mar 31, 2013 2:38 pm

Grant,

Looking forward to more pictures as this one develops. Any progress since you last posted?

Thanks!
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Re: Organic Soundports

Post by whitespruce » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:29 pm

I have not had time to work on anything in the shop for about 2 months. However, I will get back at finishing this one so it will be playable in time for Stringfest.

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Re: Organic Soundports

Post by whitespruce » Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:39 pm

Well, I said I would get this done, so here is some progress. spent an hour trying to upload the photos to Photobucket to no avail. Finally was able to do it on Christy's computer :wallbang: :twisted:

So I worked on the binding. The top purfling needed to be bark to match the rosette. I couldn't get any spruce bark that would work, so I used white pine. It looks similar, just a finer pattern. I have an inside black veneer line and then the bark which I put on before the binding. Here are these glued
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A closeup
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I cut the bark a bit oversize in both thickness and width, then sanded it level with the top and the binding channel
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Here is the sheet of bark that I cut the strips from
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I just ran it through the thickness sander on both sides after I ironed it flat

Here is the bamboo binding glued on
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All leveled with the top....
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....and the back
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Then I leveled the bindings to the sides, but did not take photos

I also finished the peghead inlays
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Now I just have to put in a few more frets, carve the neck, and do the bridge.

So, one about ready for Stringfest :D

G

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Re: Organic Soundports

Post by Pat Foster » Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:44 am

Looking good, Grant! I like the binding/purfling combo.

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Re: Organic Soundports

Post by DaveAnderson » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:11 pm

That top sure looks nice with the matching rosette and bark purfling with the knots in the spruce.
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Re: Organic Soundports

Post by Chris Muse » Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:52 pm

Grant
Looking awesome. The binding almost looks like tortoise shell. Can't wait to hear it.
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Re: Organic Soundports

Post by whitespruce » Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:58 pm

Chris Muse wrote:Grant
Looking awesome. The binding almost looks like tortoise shell. Can't wait to hear it.
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Come on up to Stringfest and you can play it :D

Thanks for the kind words, folks. I fit the neck and put in a few more frets today. Will do the rest tomorrow.

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Re: Organic Soundports

Post by Jbus » Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:53 am

Genuine playable art! This is awesome!

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Re: Organic Soundports

Post by whitespruce » Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:17 pm

Well, I have just about finished the final sanding after the egg-white pore fill. That stuff really works slick. The hand made copper bar frets are what really took the time....installing 5 frets takes 2 hours :shock:

Anyhow, I will start applying the finish tomorrow. I will try to post a few photos tomorrow.

Now on to finishing one of the external neck adjustment models...should be no problem to get done by Stringfest.

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Re: Organic Soundports

Post by whitespruce » Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:01 pm

OK, here are all of the copper bar frets installed and leveled
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This photo is before I crowned and polished the frets. I have that done, but did not take a photo.

I started the finish today. First, a thin wash of shellac which I sanded lightly with 320 grit. Then the first coat of Liberon.

Here is the top
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And the back
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I now have a second coat on which I will let dry overnight. Then 2 more coats tomorrow and I will see how it looks. Possibly another coat or 2 on Saturday. Then I will let it dry for a couple of days, polish it and string it up.

I really like the Liberon. Kinda pricey, but it only takes about a tablespoon to do a whole coat, so it goes a long way.

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Re: Organic Soundports

Post by Dennis Leahy » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:41 pm

Caint wait to detune this beauty!

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Re: Organic Soundports

Post by whitespruce » Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:26 pm

I got this strung up last night. It definitely sounds different than my "normal" guitars, but I only have one other of that body style to compare to.

I kinda messed up the finish on the neck, so will redo that at a later date. Will try to get some photos later today or tomorrow.

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Re: Organic Soundports

Post by whitespruce » Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:54 am

Here are a couple of photos. More later when I get things cleaned up a bit

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